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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 1, 2010 8:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

I'll cast stones - from what I have heard from people in the oil biz up here is in their opinion the preventer was installed backwards on purpose to get it to fit ie they new it was defective and wouldn't fit the correct way. Now this is just a perzsons opinion but what isn't opinion is if they had been actually checking it ( not pencil whipping it ) then they would have seen it was bad.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 1, 2010 9:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

I'll cast my stone right with ya Jots - the oil industry and the government are so entrenched under the same sheets, you cannot tell one from the other anymore.

Our government is an absolute disgrace and an embarrassment - no matter who the great people of this country vote into office, the result always seems to come out the same. the populace and our environment get screwed every time!

Mando is most assuredly on the right track....

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 1, 2010 9:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

yeah well don't throw the baby out with the bathwater I say. Example - FDA, they don't always do such a swell job with Food and drugs but what's the alternative? Self or market policing as the Libertarians like to fantasize about? YEAH RIGHT! And I know from first hand experience that the FDA is VERY good at regulating blood products which are extremely safe now as a result. IMO we need to see what is working regulatory wise and model after that. We need to remember that Government isn't a sperate private entity, us lazy citizens need to get more invol;ved, more than just by voting.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 1, 2010 9:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

the baby most likely wont get thrown out with the bathwater, but the baby is certainly starting to drown. i agree the FDA is basically pretty good at getting things right (if a bit too slow at times), as is the EPA (not perfect, but...) yes, i was being a bit hyperbolic in my post about the government being basically useless - they are just too easy to buy. lobbyists and lying have run amok - it is going to be VERY difficult "fixing" that - there has never been a government in world history (as far as i know) that money and greed has not basically "run the show."

i dont know what the alternative is either. but the path down which this country is headed WILL force change upon us at some point - and it is probably going to be a very difficult chnge in the beginning. it may be after our lifetime, but probably within the lives of our children.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 1, 2010 10:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

" i dont know what the alternative is either"

imo the alternative is for people to wake the f up and stop defending this corporate takeover of the government. People need to stop believing the bullshit. PRIME example, people love to wave their plastic made in China American flags but can't seem to make the connection between war and $$$$$. Anyone who thinks corporations are totally out of control with what they get away with is automatically branded a " socialist", people actually think the media is " liberal" and yet the only real news is buried down on public broadcasting that MOST people don't watch.

The bottom line is people are very easily preyed upon with emotion to direct their anger at the wrong sources and to defend entities that will sell their ass out in a second. Look how crazy the evangelicals can get - they vote soley on these BS moral causes but the people they vote for KNOW that they have no intention of banning abortion etc but these fools keep voting against their own interests just because of the lip servce given to their pet cause.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 1, 2010 11:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

I could not agree with you any more wholeheartedly!!!

sad to think it will take an economic catastrophe far worse than last/this year's to truly even attempt to do anything (or so it seems to me, from what i have seen so far)

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 1, 2010 11:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

But why poop in your own house ? Yeah , I know , general human stupidity . But here are some consequences already . Penny wise for billions foolish perhaps ?
From WSJ today( one of the last remaining papers doing their job , PG )
BP stock price down 12 % today , knocking off 17 billion of BP 's market value . Today's estimate is that BP 's liability is 990 million for the oil leak in the Gulf . That number will change , only going much higher . Insuring BP's debt has also become much harder for them , as banks jack their rates and credit is much harder to obtain . London is very concerned over this , as many large funds are heavily invested in BP . The Gulf supplies 14 % of BP's worldwide production , and renewal of their future licensing contracts is highly in doubt . And this is the beginning of the beginning .

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Poster: headgdhead Date: Jun 2, 2010 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

BP has lost $70 billion in equity since this thing started. The conspiracy theorists are so far out in left field on this one it's just ridiculous. There is no upside for the oil company taking short cuts or cheaping out on these ventures.

I don't ever agree with Obama but he was right and is right about the safety of these rigs. The record proves it. There are over 5000 wells in the Gulf, 500 of them are deep sea wells, and only one of them is leaking. That's a pretty damn good record!

No one goes through life perfect. The priority here is plugging the leak and cleaning up this mess. The time for investigations and prosecutions will come. Please remember that tens of thousands of people are dependant on these companies for their existence. Tearing them apart through ridiculous accusations and endless speculation directly affects people’s lives.

"Think this through with me, let me know your mind
Wo-oh, what I want to know is, are you kind?"

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Poster: headgdhead Date: Jun 2, 2010 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

BP has lost $70 billion in equity since this thing started. The conspiracy theorists are so far out in left field on this one it's just ridiculous. There is no upside for the oil company taking short cuts or cheaping out on these ventures.

I don't ever agree with Obama but he was right and is right about the safety of these rigs. The record proves it. There are over 5000 wells in the Gulf, 500 of them are deep sea wells, and only one of them is leaking. That's a pretty damn good record!

No one goes through life perfect. The priority here is plugging the leak and cleaning up this mess. The time for investigations and prosecutions will come. Please remember that tens of thousands of people are dependant on these companies for their existence. Tearing them apart through ridiculous accusations and endless speculation directly affects people’s lives.

"Think this through with me, let me know your mind
Wo-oh, what I want to know is, are you kind?"